By Gabriel, Christopher & Karissa
In class during week 2 we covered the topics of realism, memory, scopophilia versus epistephilia and Ari Folman's Waltz with Bashir. These themes are also present in Marjane Satrapi and Vincent Paronnaud's Persepolis, another animated documentary that takes place in the Middle-East. Both films also deal with war and perception, and they can cause us to reflect on issues that are still around today.
Waltz with Bashir (Ari Folman, 2008, Israel, 90 min.) & Realism - Where Imagination meets Animation
The documentary film Waltz with Bashir by Ari Folman is a film about Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Surprisingly this documentary covers events of this invasion not by historical records, but based on the memories of ex-Israeli soldiers who took part in this invasion. The reason for this odd representation of this war is because of how Ari Folman (who was a soldier during this war) has forgotten most of the events that transpired during the war. So he locates some of his old friends from the war to try and put the pieces of his scattered memories together. An interview with Folman can be seen below.
Although this film is showing the events of the invasion of Lebanon, Ari Folman says that for him this film was about memory. What can be said about memory after watching this film? One of the things discussed in class was that memory is not controlled by our own will. Instinctively memory can disappear. In the case of Ari Folman, his memory was repressed after being involved in such a traumatic war. Also, Folman talks about the psychological theory of manipulated memory, which how a suggestion of a fake event in a person's life that is presented to the person can make the individual actually believe he or she that that event actually happened. This is shown in the film by the carnival scene where Ari Folman's friend is explaining this psychological phenomena.
The theme for this week was reality. What is reality? Is it something that can be portrayed on film? Isn't that the function of documentary films? So does that mean that this film does not portray reality. It is only after watching Waltz with Bashir does the reality of this film smack you right in the face. When the animation stops and actual footage of the massacre appears we realize that the animation portrays reality of the situation. For example: there is a scene where the soldiers are in a mansion that was raided by the Israeli army and they are just hanging out and one soldier is even watching porn. This scene portrays the reality of warfare. Like in many films about war, directors focus more on the fighting and not what the soldiers do between fights. Reality in film is not always live action, yes the things seen in live-action are real, but reality is what is actually happening.
Persepolis (Marjane Satrapi & Vincent Paronnaud, 2007, France, 95 min.)
Persepolis is a 2007 France-made film, directed by Vincent Paronnaud and Marjane Satrapi. The film is based on a graphic novel, also written by Satrapi, an autobiography about her life from her time as a child during the Iranian Revolution to her adult life. It shows her family and how they lived during and after the Revolution as well as Satrapi’s exile into Europe as a teenager. Though she returned as an adult, it was not long before she left for France again, being unable to readjust to Iran’s strict, female-dominating laws. The film stands out because it is from the perspective of a woman, and women are not usually given a voice in the Middle-East. Satrapi was a young girl for the first part of the film, and also presented the simplistic point of view of a child on both political and social problems.
The main issues covered in this film were Iranian politics, the influence of western culture and extremism in the Middle-East. Satrapi, or Marji as she called herself in the film, was a young girl during the Iranian Revolution in the late 1970s. Iran had been under control of a leader supported by the U.S.A. and England in return for easier access to oil. Marji was taught in school that the Shah (Iran’s ruler) was chosen by God, and only after the revolution began did her parents tell her the truth. Her
uncle had even been locked up as a political prisoner for opposing the government. For more information on the Iranian Revolution of 1978 and 79, see here.
The relationship between Iran and the U.S.A. and England caused western influence to remain, even after the fundamentalist government took over. This is shown by Marji listening to Western singing groups like the Bee Gees or Michael Jackson. She would have to do so secretly because the government, and even citizens, would try to take them away to preserve their culture. It shows a cultural struggle between tradition and western society in Iran. This East versus West conflict is also present when Marji goes to live in Austria. Because she is Iranian, she is treated differently by the people there, at worst being perceived as ugly and savage, and at best being considered ‘exotic’ by her Austrian friends. Either way, she is viewed as standing out and not quite fitting in with the rest of the ‘Easterners’.
Extremism was also present in the film. After the Shah was deposed, the new government was a fundamentalist Islamic group. Women were forced to be completely covered except for their face. Alcohol, gatherings of both men and women and anything western were completely banned. As a young girl, Marji spoke out against her teachers who were enforcing this, causing her parents to send her to Austria for her own safety. Returning as an adult, she found that not much had changed. She was not allowed to see her boyfriend in public, and when caught she was threatened with being whipped.
Persepolis is animated in a style similar to the graphic novel it is based on. Stills of the film appear almost identical to the graphic novel panels. It is a black and white cartoon, with comic-style transitions. An angry character’s head might swell up, for example. Though it is autobiographical, linear and sometimes serious, it often blends in humour.
What is real and what is being exaggerated in the film is clear because of the animation style. It stays plain during parts that probably really happened to Marji, while other scenes are not. Marji ages all at once in the film, going from around twelve to twenty years old in seconds. There are also a dream sequence, where Marji speaks with God and Karl Marx, which obviously never physically happened. The scenes with her family and her friends seemed more realistic because nobody ever turned to the camera or acted strangely.
The film plays off both scopophilia and epistephilia, with the content appealing to knowledge and the format appealing to sensation. The issues in the film, the sexism, the extremism and the relationship between the Middle-East and the west are all issues that we recognize as existing still today. The pleasure of looking comes from the style of the movie, the funny, cartoony look, Marji’s dreams and the cartoony moments such as when she literally swells up in anger. Marji’s childish perspective also adds to the pleasure of looking, because it lets us see the issues with a naïve perspective that brings humour and silliness to otherwise serious moments.
Persepolis is animated in a style similar to the graphic novel it is based on. Stills of the film appear almost identical to the graphic novel panels. It is a black and white cartoon, with comic-style transitions. An angry character’s head might swell up, for example. Though it is autobiographical, linear and sometimes serious, it often blends in humour.
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Graphic novel. If it were not for the writing, could you tell the difference? |
The film plays off both scopophilia and epistephilia, with the content appealing to knowledge and the format appealing to sensation. The issues in the film, the sexism, the extremism and the relationship between the Middle-East and the west are all issues that we recognize as existing still today. The pleasure of looking comes from the style of the movie, the funny, cartoony look, Marji’s dreams and the cartoony moments such as when she literally swells up in anger. Marji’s childish perspective also adds to the pleasure of looking, because it lets us see the issues with a naïve perspective that brings humour and silliness to otherwise serious moments.
The visual style of the characters and most of the scenes are based on Marji’s memories of the experiences she had. There was a scene where two older women caught her buying an Iron Maiden CD. They were tall, mean and bent over. They appear that way because that was how Satrapi remembered them. The whole film was based only on her memories, but that does not mean it is any less true.
Through films, we can learn and experience various kinds of emotions. We see how people have to deal with certain aspects of their lives, how they overcome their fears, or they can teach us something they feel strongly about. Films have the power to let our minds analyze how we really feel about something, and to rethink what our opinion is based on the topic of the film. Seeing something visually can make it clearer to understand and grasp. Waltz with Bashir allows us to learn not only about the film, but ourselves as well.
We learned just how much the past can haunt us. As we saw in the movie, Folman struggles with his past and gets numerous nightmares. For example, we can experience something like this in everyday life, like if something bad happened to us as a child, those bad memories can be with us forever. We can repress them, but they can still linger. In the documentary, we see how Folman realizes that he can’t remember his past during the war. He has a lot of trouble trying to remember what exactly happened, which leads him to asking questions to the men who fought in the war with him. Because he could not answer them himself. This teaches us that we cannot always trust our memory. At times our memory can play tricks on us. Due to the way we want to see and think of the world as maybe being different from true reality, our memory can alter itself to protect and shield us. Can we even really be sure if something happened at all? The film literally challenges our vision of the world, suggesting that what we remember may not be what happened.
In the film, Folman lacked accuracy. He did not know the difference between his imagination and the truth, the actual events he went through. Knowing the truth means that there are facts and evidence to prove it. In society, we can notice how facts can be broken as they get spread around by multiple people. This gives us the benefit of the doubt because it makes us think “what is really the truth?”. It is as if society is playing broken telephone. “Throughout history and today, truth has been twisted and sculpted to fit the needs of certain people or groups. Even if one is not trying to misrepresent something, there are unintentional societal, cultural or personal biases portrayed”. What this quote from here means is that by living in a society full of unfaithful people and having to doubt what someone says, is the reason why we question our memory and what really is the truth. For example, on the news, we hear all kinds of stories that can frighten us, yet many of them are exaggerated to an extent. If you were to see the accident or incident happen with your own eyes, you’d know it is the real. One such story on the news recently, is of the Arab Spring, which has much in common with a central issue in Persepolis.
The Iranian Revolution that happened during the events of Persepolis are similar to the wave of revolutions that have been occurring in Middle-Eastern countries recently, also called the Arab Spring. Both conflicts were littered with violence but the revolting sides ultimately hoped that it would be for the better. While the Iranian Revolution was able to get rid of their dictator, the Shah, the Arab Spring was likewise able to free (or in the process of freeing) the people living under oppressive regimes and allowed them to set up a new government that they believed would be fairer. For a more in-depth look at the events of the Arab Spring, see here.
Waltz with Bashir and Persepolis both demonstrated the effectiveness of animation in documentary, that even the unreal can present the real if the director wishes it. It also allows for a seamless transition between the reality of the people in the film, and their dreams and memories. Both films showed war, violence and other things that may be difficult to discuss or see, but were able to make them easier to present to an audience. We are able to not just recognize these issues, but we can also be immersed in the beautiful world the directors saw in their minds. They can also make us think about the nature of reality, how we perceive it or how we remember it, and teach us to be better critical thinkers about how we see our environment.
How are we Affected?
We learned just how much the past can haunt us. As we saw in the movie, Folman struggles with his past and gets numerous nightmares. For example, we can experience something like this in everyday life, like if something bad happened to us as a child, those bad memories can be with us forever. We can repress them, but they can still linger. In the documentary, we see how Folman realizes that he can’t remember his past during the war. He has a lot of trouble trying to remember what exactly happened, which leads him to asking questions to the men who fought in the war with him. Because he could not answer them himself. This teaches us that we cannot always trust our memory. At times our memory can play tricks on us. Due to the way we want to see and think of the world as maybe being different from true reality, our memory can alter itself to protect and shield us. Can we even really be sure if something happened at all? The film literally challenges our vision of the world, suggesting that what we remember may not be what happened.
In the film, Folman lacked accuracy. He did not know the difference between his imagination and the truth, the actual events he went through. Knowing the truth means that there are facts and evidence to prove it. In society, we can notice how facts can be broken as they get spread around by multiple people. This gives us the benefit of the doubt because it makes us think “what is really the truth?”. It is as if society is playing broken telephone. “Throughout history and today, truth has been twisted and sculpted to fit the needs of certain people or groups. Even if one is not trying to misrepresent something, there are unintentional societal, cultural or personal biases portrayed”. What this quote from here means is that by living in a society full of unfaithful people and having to doubt what someone says, is the reason why we question our memory and what really is the truth. For example, on the news, we hear all kinds of stories that can frighten us, yet many of them are exaggerated to an extent. If you were to see the accident or incident happen with your own eyes, you’d know it is the real. One such story on the news recently, is of the Arab Spring, which has much in common with a central issue in Persepolis.
The Iranian Revolution that happened during the events of Persepolis are similar to the wave of revolutions that have been occurring in Middle-Eastern countries recently, also called the Arab Spring. Both conflicts were littered with violence but the revolting sides ultimately hoped that it would be for the better. While the Iranian Revolution was able to get rid of their dictator, the Shah, the Arab Spring was likewise able to free (or in the process of freeing) the people living under oppressive regimes and allowed them to set up a new government that they believed would be fairer. For a more in-depth look at the events of the Arab Spring, see here.
Waltz with Bashir and Persepolis both demonstrated the effectiveness of animation in documentary, that even the unreal can present the real if the director wishes it. It also allows for a seamless transition between the reality of the people in the film, and their dreams and memories. Both films showed war, violence and other things that may be difficult to discuss or see, but were able to make them easier to present to an audience. We are able to not just recognize these issues, but we can also be immersed in the beautiful world the directors saw in their minds. They can also make us think about the nature of reality, how we perceive it or how we remember it, and teach us to be better critical thinkers about how we see our environment.
Great blog! I agree with you that the reason for the film to be animated was that it is cost efficient and it allows the filmmaker to be very creative and depict certain things he wouldn’t be able to depict in a live-action film. I would like to add to that statement that if the film was a live-action film it would have been to hard for audiences to watch and too difficult to take. The fact that the film was animated allowed the audience to watch the film comfortably and only at the end realize the reality of the events and how horrifying it was. Same goes for the movie Persepolis, I saw this movie in high school and I think that that fact that it is animated allows the audience to take in this tragic events more easily and like you said it allows the filmmaker to have unlimited creative expression and interpretation.
ReplyDelete-Lianne Deguire
An excellent entry, showing good insights and explaining the concepts well. Your presentation of "Waltz with Bashir" could have provided more information about the events happening in the film, and the writing could have have been slightly more fluid. The links you provide complete your presentation very well.
ReplyDeleteWell done!
Very well done!
ReplyDeleteLike what our teacher and Lianne Deguire said, Folman's choice of using animation for the film does make it easier to watch the war sequences throughout the film (except at the end where we see the live footage). Thanks to animation, as you say, Folman was able to create something so unique and make the dream-like sequences as he envisioned it. Just like what we discussed in class, the main theme of the film is about memories. I have read from a book somewhere that had the same explanation about memories. There was two friends who go to the same elementary school and everyday they would always like to admire a child's drawing of a little girl holding a balloon in the classroom. Years later when they are both in high school, they both reminisce about their younger days and the drawing in the classroom. One said that the little girl's dress was blue, while the other replied that it was actually red. They both argued about it until they finally decide to go see the picture for themselves. The drawing was actually colored black and a few shades of gray. Our memories are kind of like illusions and that we can't always rely on them.
- Mary Anne Lamsen
Impressive blog!
ReplyDeleteI totally agree about power that only animation can give us. And I'd like to add that animation can make the most suitable atmosphere for the certain scene and it has unlimited power to present idea of the director such as same scene can be present on totally opposite atmosphere. I'm personally thinking that two main ideas that we've told in class, reality and memory, are connected together. During 'Waltz and Bashir', there's an interview that penetrate the entire documentary -and I quote- "Memory is dynamic, it's alive". Realism is alive too, it's alive which means it can portray differently mostly by time -I think 90%-, lack of information or personal view of observer. It was very interesting to read about another animation, Persepolis. I wouldn't talk about much because I've never seen this animation yet so I don't fully understand about the writing. But I found that it also discuss about war and it's an animation so it shall have dramatic scenes that gives power.
-Jaeho Lee
Great entry!
ReplyDeleteAs previously stated in the blog and in the comments, memory is a tricky thing. Its unreliable,that's why I feel as though it's very abstract to be a main theme, and at the same time very intriguing. Documentaries are created, in general, to expose the truth, yet how can one expose something that is not necessarily true? The unknown draws immense amounts of curiosity of humanity and it greatly contributed on the impact made by "Waltz with Bashir".
-Autumn Cadorette
I liked how the blog was easy to follow, good job!
ReplyDeleteIn addition, our memories and experience eventually shape us to the people we become. They have a life of their own, and sometimes we have the tendency to want to forget the ones that cause us pain. The danger in that is that if we forget about the events of the past, we are doomed to repeat history. We have a duty to remember and these memories need to be kept alive to make signification. That is the key role of documentary films, they act as a time machine. They embark us on a journey to our past and force us to learn about it and from it!
-Mehwish Bashir
Great blog entry! I agree with you that memory is a very interesting part of our lives. Like you mentioned, memories are not controlled by our own will and they can sometimes be mistaken as reality. Our memories are altered by certain events. For example, in Waltz with Bashir, it was due to the war that Ari Folman could not remember things. Memory and reality can be easily confused, as we often tend to remember what we want to remember, rather then what we should. In fact, it is said that the more we recall a past event, the more it is altered in our mind. Therefore, it becomes hard to trust our memories to be the truth!
ReplyDelete-Ramandeep Padda
Very nice entry! The links were very useful for the deeper understanding of this blog.
ReplyDeleteI don't perceive animation the same was I perceive filmed reality. When I watched "Waltz with Bashir" I did not have the feeling that the story was "real". I know making the same movie with special effects and all would've cost some much more, but I find it necessary to fully understand the depth of the story. Throughout the movie the memories seem very unreliable, this movie is said to be a documentary but the scenes portrayed were very unrealistic. Animation, to my belief, shouldn't be used to represent serious events such as massacres or wars.
-Samuel Pelland-Sauve
Great blog entry! As previously discussed, the human memory tends to play tricks on us. Even if something never happened, if we believe it to be true in our minds, we believe it to also be true in real life. As mentioned in the previous comments, the use of animation to portray the war scenes does infact make it much easier to watch because it it not real, but because of this, it makes it harder to take the documentry as serious as you should be taking it. When we actually see the live footage of the camp in the last 5 minutes of the film, our mindset is changed immediately and we all of a sudden start to take the movie much more seriously, just because the images we see are real.
ReplyDeleteHowever, i found that you could have addressed the message/theme of the film abit stronger, but overall the entry was very informative and complete
Akshay Kaushal